Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither, and lose both.
-- Benjamin Franklin

And I was worried about the pentagon…

This is the presidential oath of office:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Apparently the President has directly authorized the NSA to spy on Americans, without first obtaining a warrant.

Last time I checked, the 4th amendment was still part of the constitution:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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Although I’m not a champion of spying, the last time I checked, the preamble charged him with providing for the common defense.

In that vein, suppose, given the intelligence that was available, he had not gone into Iraq and the weapons were there and through an intermediary had been used to harmed us. Bet you’d be all over his butt for not acting on all that info. One difference would be that you and I would singing the same tune.

Too bad we start with questions rather than answers, life would be so much simpler.

OFWAIP

“Although I’m not a champion of spying, the last time I checked, the preamble charged him with providing for the common defense.”

Look again. The preamble states:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It says nothing about the president being charged with providing for the common defense. Instead, it says the opposite: that we, the people, will provide for the common defense by adopting these rules, which limit what our government can do to us. Our constitution was based on abuse of powers by those trying to govern us. It specifically limits the government in certain ways, via the 4th amendment for example, ands generally via the ninth and tenth amendments. Two hundred and twenty-nine years ago we threw off one tyrant named George. Now we have another.

Read the Declaration of Independence:


He has refuted his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

You state: “In that vein, suppose, given the intelligence that was available, he had not gone into Iraq and the weapons were there and through an intermediary had been used to harmed us. Bet you’d be all over his butt for not acting on all that info. One difference would be that you and I would singing the same tune.”

The point is, the correct evidence was available, and was suppressed or ignored by the administration. The Nigerian uranium claim was known to be false when it was used to justify the invasion. Other evidence was suspect as well, and no other government’s intelligence thought the available evidence justified war. The simple fact is, the sanctions were working.

Maybe I’m a fool, but I believe our servicemen deserve that the president make damn sure he’s correct before he asks them to risk their lives.

Bush didn’t.

Now we have 2154 American dead, and more than 15,000 injured, in what is in reality just a vanity war for a president who didn’t have the curiosity to understand the sunni/shi’ite differences before launching an invasion. We have spent a quarter of a trillion dollars supporting an invasion that has made the situation worse, rather than better for terrorism.

Let’s say the captain of a airceraft carrier, perhaps CVN-76, USNS “Ronald Reagan,” decides based on faulty intelligence, to sail his ship directly into an island, killing the entire crew of 3200, and costing the United States the 4.5 billion dollars it cost to build it, not to mention the cost of planes and so forth. While so doing, he alienates allies which heretofor had supported us, and allows our nations enemies to take advantage of the ensuing chaos to build their own strength.

How long would it be before he was relieved of command?

Yes, we’re looking in hindsight. In hindsight, he lied to us in order to start a vanity war, picking and choosing information to justify it, ignoring evidence that countered that information, or countered the general reason for the assault.

He has ignored the constitution that he has sworn to uphold in at least two major areas, because someone told him it was a good idea to do so and he thought it was his divine right, regardless of the powers explicitly defined for him by the constitution.

Every dictator in history has justified their actions by invoking the common good, and ignoring the laws that were to restrict their excesses. He is no different from Hitler, Pinochet, Mao, or any of a host of others. Our only saving grace is that he much more inept than any of them



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